If your bike gets stolen, don’t expect the police to help

A Hungarian thief busting film crew travelled to London to get one question answered:

How effective is the UK police force at combating bicycle theft?

In London if your bike is stolen, you have a 4% chance of ever recovering it. As previous miraculous stories from readers show, you have an uphill struggle to get the police to help you.

This is exactly what the crew discovered, when they setup a bike fitted with a GPS tracker in Hackney.

As the YouTube video reveals, the bicycle which was secured with a flimsy lock was stolen within a few hours.

The stolen bike was then tracked via a GPS tracker (one that we’ll be reviewing soon on London Cyclist) and found in a block of flats in Haggerston.

(See also: How to get your bike stolen)

A met police car arrives on location

The film crew then travelled to the location and called the police.  Fifty minutes later a car arrived. The crew notes that this is twice the time it takes a police car to arrive in Budapest.

After spending half an hour checking the details of the individuals, they initially refused to take any action. Eventually, they agreed to knock on some of the flats.

Unfortunately, they didn’t get any results, as the film crew was not allowed to follow them in with their radio beacon which could accurately pinpoint a location. In the mean time, the bike was moved to another flat.

This time the police outright refused to help and left the crew to take matters in to their own hands.

The suspected bicycle thief is found

The film crew bravely knocked on another flat and after a vague explanation from the residents, they recovered their bike.

Could the police have acted differently?

It has to be noted that the police don’t have the ability to enter and search any private property they choose. They rightly need a court order.

Perhaps if this was during the daytime, the police may have been more helpful. If for example the stolen bike was spotted being ridden around London, then it may have been easier for the police to intercept the thief.

However, it’s unlikely you’ll have perfect conditions in which to catch a bicycle thief.

This is not about pointing the finger at the individual officers involved. It is about a frustration felt by cyclists, in the seeming lack of response the police provide to bicycle theft. Is it an issue of priorities? Squeezed budgets? Procedures that need to be revised?

I’d love to hear from any representatives either by email or in the comments below, and I’d be happy to update the article.

As cyclists, we still have the ability to help police by getting our bikes registered in recognised property registration services. The one I believe most often used by police forces is: https://www.bikeregister.com/

We should also always report a stolen bike, as this helps to raise the profile of this type of crime, so that more police budget can be allocated.

GPS: A cyclists best friend?

The film also highlights the value of having a GPS tracker fitted to your bike. The Hungarian film crew uses a product sold by a company called Integrated Trackers which we’ll soon be reviewing on London Cyclist.

I thoroughly recommend watching the episode here and subscribing to their YouTube channel. Note that you’ll need to hit the “Captions” button on the bottom right to get the English subtitles.

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47 Responses to If your bike gets stolen, don’t expect the police to help

  1. Keith McRae 02/01/2013 at 7:29 pm #

    Very interesting, not that I wish to do the Hungarian’s a disservice, but I wonder what the result would have been if the guy tracking his bike was a well spoken Englishman?

    Will be interested in the tracker aswell, because I have a pretty unique bike that’s getting alot of attention at the moment.

  2. thiefbusters 02/01/2013 at 10:03 pm #

    The Hungarians are here. We can only recommend the SpyBike. It was already a good product when we first tried it, and it has improved a lot since we field tested it. 23 less bicycle thieves in Budapest!

  3. Yuriy 02/01/2013 at 11:22 pm #

    I really don’t think provoking people into theft is a good idea even if they’re known thieves (I suppose it feels very self-righteous though).

    • Andy ZE2 04/01/2013 at 11:43 am #

      A locked bike is a locked bike. The thieves should keep their hands in their pockets.

      • Yuriy 04/01/2013 at 12:22 pm #

        It doesn’t matter if it’s locked or not, it’s still theft even it isn’t locked. I’m not justifying the thieves (I cycle daily and can easily become a victim myself), but I’m pretty much confident that “honeypot” practice is fundamentally wrong.

        I’m not saying it’s ineffective though, but shooting thieves after tracking them down would be even more effective, if you see my point.

  4. Mike 03/01/2013 at 8:47 am #

    The police need a warrant to enter any private premises except when they have ‘reasonable grounds to BELIEVE’ that a person guilty of an indictable offence is in the premises and they intend to arrest him (s17 PACE 1984). Belief requires quite a high burden of proof in law. The basic offence of theft of a pedal cycle (s12(5) Theft Act 1968) is a summary only offence and so the police have no power of entry to execute an arrest. It can easily be argued that by putting the bike inside a secure building that the bike is being treated as their own and therefore the offence of s1 Theft is complete which is indictable. However these officers have no proof that the occupier of the address is the same person who stole the bike. In the eyes of the officers they could be the innocent purchaser of a stolen bike with no knowledge of its true origins and therefore none of the above offences have been committed, not even Handling Stolen Goods (s22 Theft Act 1968). As you can see the police face a dilemma here, the same they face with trackers on mobile phones. Unless the time between the theft and the arrival at the private premises is short it would be very difficult to prove without other evidence the guilt of anyone making any entry illegal. Intel checks would have been carried out on the address prior to police arrival to assist in this decision making process. People also have the right under Article 8 of the European Convention of Human Rights (Human Rights Act 1998) to have their private and family life respected. Part of this is not knocking on people’s doors in the middle of the night in relation to a relatively low level crime enquiry.
    The law in my opinion is outdated in this aspect as all of these acts were written prior to trackers on mobiles, cars and bike becoming common place. Hope this helps readers understand the police action (or lack of it) here. Also to put into context the Met police handle on average 21,000 calls for police assistance every day through 999 and 101 therefore calls are prioritised hence the delay in police arrival.

    • Andreas 03/01/2013 at 11:58 am #

      Thanks Mike for joining the conversation. Important points added. There’s no doubt the Met have to prioritise calls and it’s understandable a bike theft has to take lower priority over certain crimes.

      • Mike 04/01/2013 at 12:31 am #

        As an avid cyclist I feel that not enough attention is given to bike theft and that the basics aren’t always done well. However in my experience the majority of bike thefts could have been prevented by following the simple rules which you and the Met Police’s Safer Transport Command’s recommend of using two different types of locks and only locking your bike to a suitable structure.

    • Pat 04/01/2013 at 1:41 pm #

      Mike, agree with you 100% on the law and the dilemma police find themselves in. However, another major factor is that police still follow targets, (despite what the Home Secretary said last year) and bicycle theft is not one of them.

    • Tom 14/01/2013 at 4:34 pm #

      Thanks Mike, good piece of information here.

      I am a cyclist and had my bike stolen once but as a father of 2, I’d rather the police focus on serious crimes than bike theft. If you have a nice expensive bike (my new one is much better), lock it with 2/3 locks in a safe area using all info available (including on this website).

      Although it is supper annoying (I’ve been there), this is just a bike…

      Very interesting article, thanks Andreas!

    • Pau 02/11/2016 at 8:34 am #

      I think you’ll find that theft of pedal cycle is still an either way offence i.e. the accused can elect trial by jury in the Crown Court.

    • Paul 02/11/2016 at 8:53 am #

      Mike’s comments come straight from the book of excuses for taking no action and for creating a defence for a suspect before he/she has even been arrested and interviewed.
      If Mike’s argument was followed then buying stolen goods more than a few days after the commission of the original theft, impairs the ability of the Police to take positive action and therefore puts the handler ‘in the clear’. This is nonsense.

      I am sorry to say that we are now in an age of extreme pragmatism when it comes to policing. With lower level criminality that may be time-consuming to deal with, excuses will be found (by the Police) NOT to act. Mike’s arguments about dealing with suspects does not remove the duty of the Police to recover stolen property.

      Let me be really clear now, if the bike thieves had shouted racist or homophobic comments at the bicycle owner as they rode away on his bicycle then Police action WOULD have been taken. None of the excuses presented for the actual scenario would have been put forward.

      In the 70’s, 80’s & the 90’s……any Police Officer NOT following up this matter promptly to ensure recovery of stolen property as a minimum, would have been disciplined for neglect of duty.

      I know, because I retired as a Police Inspector 10 years ago.

      I know and accept that times have changed but we should be honest about why. The reasons Mike gives are not the reasons.



  5. Moo 03/01/2013 at 12:41 pm #

    “Provoking people into theft”?

    Just like carrying a wallet is provoking people into pickpocketing? Or a shop offering goods is provoking people into shoplifting? Or having a smart phone is provoking people into mugging?

    The ultimate blame the victim mentality

    • Yuriy 03/01/2013 at 1:04 pm #

      Just carrying a wallet is fine, but intentionally arranging things for it to be stolen to chase the thief with your vigilante mates, cameras and police isn’t.

      I wouldn’t mind that attitude from anyone who got in this kind of trouble, but when we’ve got a prepared crew carrying that out on a regular basis… no thank you,.

      • Moo 03/01/2013 at 2:20 pm #

        Yeah, I get what you’re saying, it does smack of vigilantism in a way, though honeytrap bikes and cars are used by police to trap criminals occasionally. Ultimately though, it’s the thief’s choice to steal a bike I don’t have any sympathy for them.

  6. Jon 03/01/2013 at 3:35 pm #

    Tell me what is the ‘Hungarian’ angle on this? Is it that there are active bike thieves who are Hungarian; hence the Hungarian film crew? Or is it that they heard that bike theft was a problem in London so decided to investigate – in which case what is their interest?

    • Andreas 03/01/2013 at 4:57 pm #

      Hey Jon – background is that these guys film a series which goes out on YouTube and aim to catch thieves in their home town of Budapest. The reason for the visit to London was to investigate bike crime here and draw comparisons to see if the police over there have lessons they could learn.

  7. Artur 03/01/2013 at 5:02 pm #

    As a Hungarian, I think we all believe that bike theft is a major problem in our country, mostly because (..as we believe, again) the police makes no effort to actually find the missing bikes.

    The tagline of this video roughly translates as “The advancement of the West” refers jokingly to the fact that we were always jealous to every western country where we thought the life is better or easier than ours.

    I think the meaning is that finally we can stop moaning a little bit, and we should accept the fact that our system is not inferior to any other when it comes to deal with issues like this.

  8. tolvajkergetok 03/01/2013 at 6:13 pm #

    We of course know that there are laws protecting people from being wrongfully accused of any crime. These laws are pretty much the same as in Hungary. Just like UK cops, Hungarians also aren’t allowed to simply raid an apartment in the middle of the night to see if there’s anything illegal there. But if someone says that his property was stolen, and points out where it is, they do not hesitate to knock the door and seize the bike. They are not looking for excuses and do a favor to the criminal. Their point is: the item there originates from a criminal act, therefore it is to seized, and it’s up to the guy who they found it on to explain how did it get there. If he is able to give a reasonable and credible explanation, then he is free to go, and might even keep the item, regardless if it’s stolen. (The owner may sue the thief for reparations if he’s caught.)

    We’ve heard a lot about the “nanny state” which the UK has became, but it’s shocking to see the level it evolved to. What Mike has pointed out would be a scandal in Hungary, and actually in any country with a continental law system. So regardless if the thief is caught red-handed, he doesn’t even has to explain how did he get my bike, because the police immediately assumes he is innocent? Good God! Now I understand why you Brits have to plant CCTV cameras everywhere. Haven’t anyone noticed that this approach actually endorses crime?

    In fact I have some friends living in the UK and many said that they were also a bit shocked seeing this video. They told that it would’ve happened way different in many other UK cities, ie. Cambridge or Edinburgh. Actually it would’ve gone pretty much like in Hungary.

    Having a massive amount of calls is no excuse for the Met to be ignorant. A city of 8 million apparently has a whopping number of emergencies, but also a proportional amount of policemen to keep it in hands. The Budapest police is way behind the Met in support, financial background or equipment. An average Hungarian street cop makes around 360-400 quid a month, a detective around 500. But they still do their jobs, except when they are ignorant arseholes themselves.

    • Mike 04/01/2013 at 12:27 am #

      Don’t forget that everyone is innocent until proven guilty beyond all reasonable doubt.
      However let me clarify some points. To be found guilty of handling stolen goods you must know that they are stolen which is difficult to prove unless other factors apply such as dozens of stolen bikes all found in one place. Also bear in mind that prior convictions are not made aware to the court until a verdict has been given although it will be used by the police in the course of their investigation and by the Crown Prosecution Service when making a decision to charge.
      British police would of course seize any evidence of an offence (common law power in a public place and s19 PACE 1984 in a premises) but to do so they must legally enter the premises which would either be by a warrant or by invitation.
      Interestingly though in this country the goods would be returned to the original victim by police as they are still the legal owner.

  9. John Somers 03/01/2013 at 8:53 pm #

    When I suffered my first bike theft (>£2.5k worth) in April 2010, my local constabulary – Thames Valley Police were about as useful as a chocolate fire-guard, they couldn’t even get the valuation correct, when a PCSO finally came to “inspect” the scene she was under the impression that the value of the three bikes was £250 and apologised for the tardy response and inaccurate information when I corrected her.

    When one of my bikes was spotted by a friend being loaded on to the Metropolitan line at Chalfont & Latimer, I got a far better response from the British Transport Police when I reported this to them than TVP (TVP’s response was why did I tell them when we should have!?).

    On the second theft when >£3.5k worth of bikes were stolen it took 6 days before the theft report was handed from the Milton Keynes centre to the local policing team and another 1/2 a day before a PCSO again came around (who admittedly was rather pissed off with the delay before the crime report was passed on to the local team). The only word of advice (as I AM well known in the area!) was warned that if I did see any of the bikes being ridden record the scene on my helmet camera AND NOT TO take any precipitous action or I would be arrested (well they do know me rather well!!) before reporting it to them.

    Seriously after the latest theft I was tempted at “booby trapping the remaining bikes in one way or another because I have neither faith or confidence in the police in doing anything other than providing a crime number – which from experience they are loath to do because they KNOW that they are unlikely to clear this crime up and it looks bad on their statistics!

    I do understand and accept that in the great scheme of things both thefts were not of a high importance to the police…..but it was bloody well important to me and being made to feel that it was my fault for having expensive and attractive bikes that I did actually ride was the final straw!

    Grrrrrrrrrr………..now they are all locked up in my home with even more chains, D shackles and several locked doors….so much so that it is difficult for me to get them out to ride them! 🙁

    • Ianb 09/02/2014 at 6:30 pm #

      John, I sympathise. I recently had a bike £2.5K stolen.

      Police closed the case, lack of evidence. Lack of evidence, they did not even attend the crime scene, my home in this case.

      Not a high priority was their actual words. Maybe not to them but I worked hard to pay for that bike.

      I’ve been a bought a chocolate teapot, more useful than the police.

      500’000 bikes stolen each year and not a high priority? What!

  10. Dave Greenwood 04/01/2013 at 3:04 pm #

    I’d like to understand the cost/benefit case for the Metropolitan Police Service’s specialist Cycle Task Force, given that the normal response to a bike theft report is not to pursue, and the statistics show that bike theft has continued to rise since the Task Force was established.

  11. Andy ZE 04/01/2013 at 5:05 pm #

    I think that there is a systemic problem. Because a “low-level” crime is not prosecuted or the perpetrator walks away with a slap on the wrist he/she decides that they may as well as move onto the next higher “low-level” crime, so it starts off as shoplifting and moves onto stealing bikes. The law does not consider this much of a crime so eventually the criminal decides that stealing cars is more profitable and so on and so forth. A simplistic analogy?

    i am from the old school believing that there is nothing that would stop a thief caught red-handed in his thieving tracks quicker than shutting his fingers in the nearest door.

    • Big Softy 05/01/2013 at 3:47 am #

      I like your thoughts on punishment Andy, though I can think of a better appendage to introduce to that door!

      I know this may ruffle a few feathers, but there’s one subject that hasn’t been covered: Personal responsibility.
      I refuse to make it easy for some scumbag to steal my bike, plain and simple.
      Every day I see bikes on the street tethered by chains and cables that any crackhead can go through with their teeth.
      After a car and house, a bike is probably one of the biggest purchases a lot of people will make. So why secure it with something which is about as much use as a bit of string?
      We live in the real world, and unfortunately, there are nasty and dishonest people in that world.
      We make it as hard as possible for someone to violate our home or car, but sadly too many people don’t take the same care with their trusty steed.
      Yes, it’s a pain in the arse to carry around an 8mm hardened steel chain, but at least I know that unless some thieving scrote has come equipped with an angle grinder, they’re likely to go for an easier target.

  12. Scottie 04/01/2013 at 5:32 pm #

    My £500 Spesh was stolen in Brighton. Despite keeping an eye on Gumtree and Ebay it was resold in London the following week but amazingly the buyer spotted it on bikeshepherd.com and, because he is a good pesron, contacted me and arranged for its return. He gave me the mobile no of the thief/seller and by some very basic detective work, I linked it to several different Gumtree ads, selling obviously stolen bikes, all based around Hounslow. Good bikes, Bianchis, Spesh’s etc – people’s pride and joys and often worth £1000+ each. More detective work threw up more numbers and ads for bikes and iphones and even an uprotected facebook page so I gave the Met Bike Crime Unit a call and followed up by email.
    So, names and numbers of obvious and prolific bike thieves/muggers. Guess what? Yup, no action was taken and bikes are still being sold, photographed in the same garden in Hounslow, using the same crude, badly spelt and capitalised text. I despair!
    What can you do if the police have so much evidence but refuse to act on it?

    • Andy ZE 04/01/2013 at 7:25 pm #

      Scottie, I am impressed by your effort, but also sad that despite doing their job for them the police won’t act. They obviously don’t even care about the glory. It’s amazing that you got the bike back; full credit to the buyer.

    • Clive 16/09/2013 at 9:26 pm #

      Tbh hounslow police are bloody useless I’ve just had a heavily customised trance x3 nicked and they just didn’t give a damn, the thieves un bolted the whole bike rack in order to get mine!
      Anyway by some miracle I got a random email today from someone in latvia of all places providing a link to a for sale ad in latvia, low and behold its my bike! I know sod all can be done about it though as it’s miles away but if you could point me in the direction of that person in hounslow I’ll know where to look first if I ever have one nicked again.

      • Alehouse Rock 17/09/2013 at 2:41 pm #

        [[[[ CLIVE—-I just heard, a couple of days ago, that the police are now taking action upon just 40% of reported crimes……..ho-hum.

  13. Nyge 05/01/2013 at 11:12 am #

    I’d like to thank the Hungarian film crew for their efforts in exposing the issue of bicycle theft and wholly support their methods, which I felt under the circumstances were very well handled. I am not surprised at the wet response from our TVP either.

    I’d like to see more of this action – how about a London based team doing a study over a range of operational conditions? For example seeking opportunities to intercept stolen bikes on the move in the street, daytime, to see what response the Police give under a range of circumstances. In order to judge the effectiveness of the Police in addressing bike crime, we need more evidence than one example in my opinion.

    I personally have no problem with the method of baiting a bicycle. An honest person would leave any bike which is not theirs, alone. Guilt was written all over the guy in the film clip who responded by denying he had the bicycle. These people are damaging cyclists’ property and lives and catching them red-handed seems like a good deterrent – but only if the Police back it. This is why more ‘field trials’ using this method to develop evidence of its effectiveness are called for.

    Well done the Hungarian crew – perhaps we’ll see a similar video from London in English some time too!?

  14. Joanne 05/01/2013 at 11:44 pm #

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    My Dad has had his bike stolen, please can you share the following information with relevant groups to try and help locate it.
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  15. Two Wheel Tubby 06/01/2013 at 1:36 pm #

    I am a police officer in the Met and agree with the points made by Mike above. I’m also a passionate cyclist myself, so have a foot in both camps.

    Unfortunately, as everyone knows, bicycle theft is very common in London. I’ve known people walk on by as people openly steal bikes in front of them – it’s like they have their eyes shut. It’s almost impossible to catch someone on a stolen bicycle, as our cars have great trouble in following them. We do have some cycles out & about, but they need to be in the right place at the right time. Motorcycles are the only real way to catch them, but even that’s risky.

    One of the most common questions a police officer will ask when reporting your bike stole is, “Do you have any serial numbers?” It’s amazing how many people don’t have even the most basic information about their bike, nor have taken the time to register it using any of the numerous free services out there. The yard at my station contains about 250 stolen bikes – none of which are registered or unique enough to trace the owner. This is what we have accumulated at one station in one borough in just a few months. Imagine the picture London-wide! Unfortunately, we are only human and it does become very boring taking reports of crimes that you know will never be solved. Of course, everyone deserves a good service and that’s what we should aim for – I’m just being realistic about what happens.

    The trouble with focussing on any single-issue crime, as groups like this do, is that it isn’t how the police approach crime. I had a similar discussion on a photography forum once, where they wanted to test the police response to confrontations between photographers and security guards. We have a corporate approach to crime, based across hundreds of different crime types of wildly differing severity. Unfortunately, we don’t have the resources to deal with everything as we would like (and never have had), so we have to channel them where we can. In the grand scheme of things, bike crime is afforded a generally low priority – but the Met has set up its own Cycle Task Force who have successfully taken down handlers of stolen bicycles and retrieved quite a lot of knocked-off gear in the few months its been running – see http://content.met.police.uk/News/Cycle-Task-Force-prevents-haul-of-stolen-bikes-being-sold/1400011952551/1257246745756 or http://thecyclingsilk.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/my-morning-with-metropolitan-police.html.

    They also do free bicycle marking (http://content.met.police.uk/Article/Cycle-marking-events/1400005859885/1400005859885). It won’t please everyone, there will always be more that can be done, but please don’t write us all off as uncaring and unhelpful.

  16. tolvajkergetok 06/01/2013 at 9:21 pm #

    Well, if some of you guys try to set up a team like ours, we are happy to support you with our experience. Unfortunately we don’t often go to London as we have enough thieves to bust in our own country, but if you wish to see more of our actions, just watch our series of which this was one episode. We’ve made English subs for all of them (except the last one that is being released right now, but I am on it already).

    Also, there is a similar thief hunter team in Vancouver who are also shooting a web series titled “To Catch A Bike Thief”. See http://www.tocatchabikethief.com.

  17. Phil Russell 07/01/2013 at 12:38 am #

    So John Somers has £6000-worth of bikes stolen—- just look at the useless response from the Thames Valley police. We are constantly being told “bike-theft is a low-priority offence”, but I’m convinced that when £6000-worth of property (or cash) is burglarised from a house or business premises, the police take the matter more seriously.
    Look at it it this way——can anyone imagine the police saying, “Burglary is a low-priority crime”? What does the legally well-informed “MIKE” (see above) think about that anomaly?

    • Mike 08/01/2013 at 7:43 pm #

      Broadly speaking there are two types of crimes in England and Wales, summary only offences and either way offences. This refers to the mode of trial, in other words, magistrate court or crown court.
      Theft of pedal cycle is a summary only offence and you can only be fined for it, not imprisoned. If you can prove s1 Theft then it’s up to 7 years if referred to crown court or 6 months if it stays in magistrates which will depend on value and the method of the offence.
      Burglary carries up to 14 years and will nearly always be referred to crown court hence why it’s treated more seriously.

      • Patrick 09/01/2013 at 8:15 pm #

        Mike, doesn’t handling stolen goods carry a maximum of 14 years? – surely then those who sell stolen bikes on “fleabay ” etc (see the Hounslow report above) are well worth chasing.

        • Two Wheel Tubby 09/01/2013 at 8:39 pm #

          It does. However, perversely, it usually carries a lesser sentence than Theft, Burglary, etc.

          The further complication with HSG as an offence is that the defendant has to “know or believe” the goods to be stolen, and this can be a very difficult element to prove.

  18. Phil Russell 07/01/2013 at 2:11 am #

    AND ANOTHER THING! Having watched the great Hungarian crew doing the police’s work for them, I’m thinking of all that video footage on PICK TV channel where the police approach houses and rudely awaken the suspects (at dawn), because they “have reason to believe there is stolen property on the premises”.
    Of course, the goods in question are mainly laptops, mobile-phones, X-Boxes and other video games—and even bikes. But when the stolen property is just a bike—(there could be six of them!)—-the cops ain’t interested, are they? Looks to me like they’re fed up with standing around in the rain. After all, it’s not the crime of the century, is it?—it’s just a bike! Really, not very exciting….

    • Mike 08/01/2013 at 7:45 pm #

      It’s all to do with the warrant that has been granted by the magistrate which is what gives the police a power of entry to search for stolen property. There would have been a discussion between the officer applying for the warrant and the magistrate about the time of day of the execution of the warrant to achieve maximum sucess whilst taking into account people’s human rights and issues such as child welfare.

  19. Phil Russell 08/01/2013 at 9:45 pm #

    MIKE—THANKS…..for explaining the legal niceties. But the theft of laptops and the theft of mobiles are not necessarily the proceeds of burglary, and I still get the impression that when those goods are stolen, their recovery (from suspects in domestic situations) is considered more important than the recovery of stolen bikes stashed in an alledged culprit’s home.
    So is the legislation skewed? Or do warrant-granting magistrates themselves regard cycle-theft as less of a crime?

    • Mike 09/01/2013 at 10:30 am #

      I think what you are seeing is what TV editors are choosing to show you. I don’t think in terms of warrants thefts of bikes is taken any less seriously although the officer would need evidence of a s1 Theft or of handling stolen goods as warrants can only be issued for an indictable offence (one that can be tried either way) which as previously discussed theft of pedal cycle is not.
      The legislation was a response to the number of people getting away with thefts of motor vehicles when they were only bring taken for a joy ride as police couldn’t prove the ‘intention to permenately deprive’ which is a requirement of s1 Theft. S12 of the Theft Act 1968 created the offence of ‘Taking and Driving Away (TDA)’ also known as ‘Taking Without the Owners Consent (TWOC)’ depending on which force you talk to and which cop show you are watching! This is a summary only offence. Theft of pedal cycle was added in as subsection 5 to cover the same for bikes so I disagree that the legislation is skewed as its the same for motor vehicles which (normally) cost significantly more.

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  21. Daniel F 22/03/2015 at 10:44 pm #

    You can thank all the namby pamby politically correct and human rights activists for the shitty society we live in. Thiefs are one step above peodaphiles and rapists in my opinion.
    You spend all your hard earned and tax paid earnings on something that you treasure, then some chav/pikey comes along and steals it. Police do nothing. Can’t be bothered. Too busy with more ‘important crimes’…

    Well guess what police, these crimes ‘ARE’ important to the victims, numpties.

    Next scumbag that steals my stuff is gonna lose a finger, like in other countries.
    Time this great British society grew a spine again.

  22. Eddie 10/06/2015 at 5:30 am #

    The police caught the bloke who stole my bike – The thief admits to it and tells the police where the bike is, however they wont go and get it for me and in the same breath they tell me not to go there and get it back as the bloke is a nasty piece of work and it is likely to get violent if i do so.

    So i have no idea what to do now?

    I feel very disappointed and let down by the police, they are useless when it comes to bikes being stolen.

    • Lewis 09/09/2015 at 10:59 pm #

      I would go there anyway but with some friends, just like this guys in the movie did. In any case, I won’t leave this world before my day comes. So, if I die there it is because that was what I had reserved for me.
      You can also go with a helmet with a cam fit on it so that the guy sees that he is being recorded.

      The biggest problem here really is that the police encourages him by doing nothing. I suggest you talk to an advice place like citizen advice bureau and see if you can sue the police and ask for financial compensation both for material loss and for moral loss (or whatever it is called) since you have been suffering a great stress with this situation.

      At last but not least, I am curious, how did the police manage to find the guy and the stolen goods? It is a contradiction in terms, because if they intended to do nothing what is the point in discovering a thief and the stolen goods? Go figure.

  23. Danny 27/01/2016 at 12:24 am #

    Mate Essex police found my bike in the guys house trying to sell it had a statement from him saying he was trying to sell it also a statement from my self about him trying to sell it to me and when it went to court the prossocusion offered no evidence in the case and the guy got off with out even a fine

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