Comments on: Find London cycle routes http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/routes/london-cycle-routes/ Happily cycling in London Sat, 20 Mar 2010 07:18:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: George http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/routes/london-cycle-routes/comment-page-1/#comment-4104 George Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:18:18 +0000 http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/news/london-cycle-routes/#comment-4104 What I would /really/ like would be to be able to find a route in google maps, and then see its height profile. I know I could take my GPS and find out, but I am WAAAAAY too lazy for that. What I would /really/ like would be to be able to find a route in google maps, and then see its height profile. I know I could take my GPS and find out, but I am WAAAAAY too lazy for that.

]]> By: Helen http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/routes/london-cycle-routes/comment-page-1/#comment-2733 Helen Wed, 16 Dec 2009 12:37:36 +0000 http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/news/london-cycle-routes/#comment-2733 http://bikeroutetoaster.com/ http://bikeroutetoaster.com/

]]> By: Creative cycling | Padded Shorts http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/routes/london-cycle-routes/comment-page-1/#comment-1320 Creative cycling | Padded Shorts Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:17:28 +0000 http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/news/london-cycle-routes/#comment-1320 [...] London Cyclist have made a great list of websites that can help you along find your way around London on our bicycle. [...] [...] London Cyclist have made a great list of websites that can help you along find your way around London on our bicycle. [...]

]]> By: Richard Fairhurst http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/routes/london-cycle-routes/comment-page-1/#comment-1193 Richard Fairhurst Thu, 08 Oct 2009 12:15:29 +0000 http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/news/london-cycle-routes/#comment-1193 AntS - they are very zealous in pursuing action and I'm not surprised that most people give up before it gets to court. A couple of years ago I did some maps for a heritage organisation who were contacted, out of the blue, by the Ordnance Survey saying "We see you have maps. These are probably traced from our maps. Pay up". I was delighted to be able to tell them that, yes, they were traced from OS maps - out-of-copyright 1940s ones, that is. The Sustrans vector data is clearly OS-derived. OS will not let that be exported without a hefty payment. Believe me, <a href="http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=legal-talk+fairhurst+site:lists.openstreetmap.org" rel="nofollow">I spend a lot of time on geodata copyright</a>! Fortunately OpenCycleMap's coverage of the Sustrans network is coming on very quickly which will provide a flexibly-licensed alternative. AntS – they are very zealous in pursuing action and I’m not surprised that most people give up before it gets to court. A couple of years ago I did some maps for a heritage organisation who were contacted, out of the blue, by the Ordnance Survey saying “We see you have maps. These are probably traced from our maps. Pay up”. I was delighted to be able to tell them that, yes, they were traced from OS maps – out-of-copyright 1940s ones, that is.

The Sustrans vector data is clearly OS-derived. OS will not let that be exported without a hefty payment. Believe me, I spend a lot of time on geodata copyright!

Fortunately OpenCycleMap’s coverage of the Sustrans network is coming on very quickly which will provide a flexibly-licensed alternative.

]]> By: AntS http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/routes/london-cycle-routes/comment-page-1/#comment-1192 AntS Thu, 08 Oct 2009 12:11:04 +0000 http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/news/london-cycle-routes/#comment-1192 Re OS data and exporting routes - I'm not sure who is responsible. Is is really the case that Sustrans can't find a way of making their routes exportable without infringing OS copyright? It's easy but not always correct to blame OS - they don't seem to be over-zealous in pursuing prosecutions (see http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/aboutus/foi/questions/2009/0059.html), though of course this doesn't tell us about the cases that don't get that far. Re OS data and exporting routes – I’m not sure who is responsible. Is is really the case that Sustrans can’t find a way of making their routes exportable without infringing OS copyright? It’s easy but not always correct to blame OS – they don’t seem to be over-zealous in pursuing prosecutions (see http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/aboutus/foi/questions/2009/0059.html), though of course this doesn’t tell us about the cases that don’t get that far.

]]> By: Kai Hendry http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/routes/london-cycle-routes/comment-page-1/#comment-1191 Kai Hendry Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:37:15 +0000 http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/news/london-cycle-routes/#comment-1191 I don't need a native app. I just the information really, nicely marked up in KML I guess. Cooking up a Web application with <a href="http://dev.w3.org/geo/api/spec-source.html" rel="nofollow">Geolocation</a> isn't that hard and it should work on Android & Iphone now. e.g. http://geo.webvm.net/ I don’t need a native app. I just the information really, nicely marked up in KML I guess.

Cooking up a Web application with Geolocation isn’t that hard and it should work on Android & Iphone now.

e.g.
http://geo.webvm.net/

]]> By: Richard Fairhurst http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/routes/london-cycle-routes/comment-page-1/#comment-1190 Richard Fairhurst Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:20:08 +0000 http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/news/london-cycle-routes/#comment-1190 Yes, don't blame Sustrans, blame Ordnance Survey. With that in mind, though I see your point about OCM vs Camden Cyclists in terms of on-the-surface functionality, it's worth mentioning OpenCycleMap/OpenStreetMap anyway. The point about OCM/OSM is that users create the data, which can then be freely shared with other cyclists without any of these nasty Ordnance Survey restrictions (or Google restrictions - they're at least as bad). You can then do anything you like with the data. Have a look over at <a href="http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?board=63.0" rel="nofollow">YACF</a> to see how many people have taken it and put it on little handlebar-mounted Garmin GPSs, for example! Yes, don’t blame Sustrans, blame Ordnance Survey.

With that in mind, though I see your point about OCM vs Camden Cyclists in terms of on-the-surface functionality, it’s worth mentioning OpenCycleMap/OpenStreetMap anyway.

The point about OCM/OSM is that users create the data, which can then be freely shared with other cyclists without any of these nasty Ordnance Survey restrictions (or Google restrictions – they’re at least as bad).

You can then do anything you like with the data. Have a look over at YACF to see how many people have taken it and put it on little handlebar-mounted Garmin GPSs, for example!

]]> By: Andreas http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/routes/london-cycle-routes/comment-page-1/#comment-1189 Andreas Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:01:42 +0000 http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/news/london-cycle-routes/#comment-1189 I posted up quite a few good <a href="http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/cycling-accessories/bike-apps-for-the-iphone/" rel="nofollow">bike apps for the iphone</a> but I don't really know what is available on Android. Quite a decent commute you did there! @AntS - I have heard Ordnance Survey are quite restrictive tho people have found ways to get around them. Guessing the problem doesn't lie with Sustrans but with Ordnance Survey. I posted up quite a few good bike apps for the iphone but I don’t really know what is available on Android.
Quite a decent commute you did there!

@AntS – I have heard Ordnance Survey are quite restrictive tho people have found ways to get around them. Guessing the problem doesn’t lie with Sustrans but with Ordnance Survey.

]]> By: AntS http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/routes/london-cycle-routes/comment-page-1/#comment-1188 AntS Thu, 08 Oct 2009 10:50:06 +0000 http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/news/london-cycle-routes/#comment-1188 I asked Sustrans about exporting routes - they said they couldn't because of 'restrictions placed on us by Ordnance Survey to do with derived data and residual copyright'. Given that Sustrans is charitably/publicly funded, and they provide the routes, this is just wrong. People might like to write to Sustrans about this. I asked Sustrans about exporting routes – they said they couldn’t because of ‘restrictions placed on us by Ordnance Survey to do with derived data and residual copyright’. Given that Sustrans is charitably/publicly funded, and they provide the routes, this is just wrong. People might like to write to Sustrans about this.

]]> By: Kai Hendry http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/routes/london-cycle-routes/comment-page-1/#comment-1187 Kai Hendry Thu, 08 Oct 2009 10:26:18 +0000 http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/news/london-cycle-routes/#comment-1187 I must say I really hate bike maps atm. I need one place to go and I need it to work on my Android G1. I guess I sadly expect Google to do it right. I don't like the idea of manually submitting my bike logs to bikely or mapmyride. I wish they were smart enough to grab my KML logs from my Website. :) e.g. http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=http:%2F%2Fstatic.natalian.org%2F2009-10-04%2Ftracklog.kml I must say I really hate bike maps atm. I need one place to go and I need it to work on my Android G1.

I guess I sadly expect Google to do it right.

I don’t like the idea of manually submitting my bike logs to bikely or mapmyride. I wish they were smart enough to grab my KML logs from my Website. :)

e.g.
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=http:%2F%2Fstatic.natalian.org%2F2009-10-04%2Ftracklog.kml

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