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	<title>Comments on: &#163;100 fines for London&#8217;s Cyclists</title>
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		<title>By: Mark S</title>
		<link>http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/news/100-fines-for-londons-cyclists/comment-page-2/#comment-55307</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 13:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry this post is completely wrong IMO. I cycle every day and the ONLY way I feel safe is to assume that other drivers and cyclists will do something unpredictable. So I check every sidestreet, every car door and assume every driver/cyclist is likely to cut across me. If you think drivers are predictable you must be driving with your eyes closed - have you seen the number using phones, texting and applying their makeup?!

And as for this &quot;Cyclists need to follow the rules like everyone else, to help them remain safe on the road, and when they don’t they put their own safety at risk since they are the most vulnerable in a collision. They are all too quick to blame anyone else for the accident, when in fact it shouldn’t have happened because the cyclist shouldn’t have been there at that moment&quot;

My friend was hospitalised for seven months by a driver on the phone who hit him and drove away - I suppose that was his fault by your logic? Fines should be the same for all and applied consistently, for all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry this post is completely wrong IMO. I cycle every day and the ONLY way I feel safe is to assume that other drivers and cyclists will do something unpredictable. So I check every sidestreet, every car door and assume every driver/cyclist is likely to cut across me. If you think drivers are predictable you must be driving with your eyes closed &#8211; have you seen the number using phones, texting and applying their makeup?!</p>
<p>And as for this &#8220;Cyclists need to follow the rules like everyone else, to help them remain safe on the road, and when they don’t they put their own safety at risk since they are the most vulnerable in a collision. They are all too quick to blame anyone else for the accident, when in fact it shouldn’t have happened because the cyclist shouldn’t have been there at that moment&#8221;</p>
<p>My friend was hospitalised for seven months by a driver on the phone who hit him and drove away &#8211; I suppose that was his fault by your logic? Fines should be the same for all and applied consistently, for all.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fines should be the same for all road users, except where blatantly nonsensical ie a crime that a bike user couldn&#039;t commit (and vice-versa). The problem is that public pressure means cyclists are more likely to be fined for jumping a red light than a motorist would be for, say, using a phone. (Which in my view is a money-making exercise, if the police really want to stop this dangerous, potentially lethal practise, why not a £1000 fine?)
I see idiot cyclists with no helmet, texting, no hands on the handlegrips, jumping red lights. I also see idiot road users opening doors, cutting left across me, deliberately driving too close, texting, phoning and putting on makeup. ALL road users breaking the law should be dealt with the same way, with the same penalty, and consistently. Is this just a pipe dream?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fines should be the same for all road users, except where blatantly nonsensical ie a crime that a bike user couldn&#8217;t commit (and vice-versa). The problem is that public pressure means cyclists are more likely to be fined for jumping a red light than a motorist would be for, say, using a phone. (Which in my view is a money-making exercise, if the police really want to stop this dangerous, potentially lethal practise, why not a £1000 fine?)<br />
I see idiot cyclists with no helmet, texting, no hands on the handlegrips, jumping red lights. I also see idiot road users opening doors, cutting left across me, deliberately driving too close, texting, phoning and putting on makeup. ALL road users breaking the law should be dealt with the same way, with the same penalty, and consistently. Is this just a pipe dream?</p>
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		<title>By: Arnaud</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arnaud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2011 16:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hackney seems to be a cheaper borough to be fine!
http://www.bealondoner.com/en/blog/melinda/i-just-got-a-fine-for-cycling-through-a-red-light-damn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hackney seems to be a cheaper borough to be fine!<br />
<a href="http://www.bealondoner.com/en/blog/melinda/i-just-got-a-fine-for-cycling-through-a-red-light-damn" rel="nofollow">http://www.bealondoner.com/en/blog/melinda/i-just-got-a-fine-for-cycling-through-a-red-light-damn</a></p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Acceptable and proportionate&#8221; &#124; As Easy As Riding A Bike</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;Acceptable and proportionate&#8221; &#124; As Easy As Riding A Bike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 07:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] City Council evidently did not think this was severe enough, proposing the introduction of a £100 fine for cycling on the pavement, or cycling the wrong way on a one-way street (although I am not sure [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] City Council evidently did not think this was severe enough, proposing the introduction of a £100 fine for cycling on the pavement, or cycling the wrong way on a one-way street (although I am not sure [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2011 20:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, for once the Germans have it right! There are dedicated bike routes that are shared with the pavement, at times. Although I ride extremely fast, I run the risk of injury daily as cars no not always give way. I now have to cycle defensively and anticipate dangers as we all should. However I am contemplating creating a situation where a car hits me as I am up for this compensation rule. The injuries will be bad back, headaches...etc... and the question is: Deal or no Deal? Id obviously deal with an offer of 30K !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, for once the Germans have it right! There are dedicated bike routes that are shared with the pavement, at times. Although I ride extremely fast, I run the risk of injury daily as cars no not always give way. I now have to cycle defensively and anticipate dangers as we all should. However I am contemplating creating a situation where a car hits me as I am up for this compensation rule. The injuries will be bad back, headaches&#8230;etc&#8230; and the question is: Deal or no Deal? Id obviously deal with an offer of 30K !!!</p>
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		<title>By: brodog</title>
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		<dc:creator>brodog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 15:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Kam,

  If we all stick to the rules/regulations then that should be sufficient to safeguard all road users.

  Lets face it. Those whom choose to flout the regulations are the real cause of concern here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Kam,</p>
<p>  If we all stick to the rules/regulations then that should be sufficient to safeguard all road users.</p>
<p>  Lets face it. Those whom choose to flout the regulations are the real cause of concern here.</p>
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		<title>By: Kam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 12:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The entire british road system remains largely safe when road users follow the rules, and therefore behave in a predicatble manner.  By assuming other road users follow the rules, you can turn your attention to other aspects of driving.  There simply is too much information to process continually, if you have to expect that anyone may do anything at anytime.  This system applies to all road users and pedestrians crossing the roads.

I occasionally drive a car in central London, and especially during rush hour, the constant weaving and unpredictable actions of cyclists makes driving extremely difficult.  Buses and lorries have a much harder time because they have several blind spots, require much larger turning circles and are harder to stop quicklly.  But buses and lorries, in my experience, almost always bahave predictably.  Many times I see cyclists cycle alongside a lorry that is either turning, or is about to, because they see an opportunity to make progress themselves, not showing any consideration to others on the road.

I may have more sympathy than most, because I myself hold amotorcycle, car, and PCV driving licences,.and I understand the difficulties each face when driving in traffic.

Cyclists need to follow the rules like everyone else, to help them remain safe on the road, and when they don&#039;t they put their own safety at risk since they are the most vulnerable in a collision.  They are all too quick to blame anyone else for the accident, when in fact it shouldn&#039;t have happened because the cyclist shouldn&#039;t have been there at that moment.  Sure there are bad drivers, but not as many as the cycluist would like you to believe.  I think stricter regulation for cyclists and fines when they break the rules would make London a safer place for all.

Incidentally I cycle to work everyday in central London, and hold many London cyclists in quite low regard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The entire british road system remains largely safe when road users follow the rules, and therefore behave in a predicatble manner.  By assuming other road users follow the rules, you can turn your attention to other aspects of driving.  There simply is too much information to process continually, if you have to expect that anyone may do anything at anytime.  This system applies to all road users and pedestrians crossing the roads.</p>
<p>I occasionally drive a car in central London, and especially during rush hour, the constant weaving and unpredictable actions of cyclists makes driving extremely difficult.  Buses and lorries have a much harder time because they have several blind spots, require much larger turning circles and are harder to stop quicklly.  But buses and lorries, in my experience, almost always bahave predictably.  Many times I see cyclists cycle alongside a lorry that is either turning, or is about to, because they see an opportunity to make progress themselves, not showing any consideration to others on the road.</p>
<p>I may have more sympathy than most, because I myself hold amotorcycle, car, and PCV driving licences,.and I understand the difficulties each face when driving in traffic.</p>
<p>Cyclists need to follow the rules like everyone else, to help them remain safe on the road, and when they don&#8217;t they put their own safety at risk since they are the most vulnerable in a collision.  They are all too quick to blame anyone else for the accident, when in fact it shouldn&#8217;t have happened because the cyclist shouldn&#8217;t have been there at that moment.  Sure there are bad drivers, but not as many as the cycluist would like you to believe.  I think stricter regulation for cyclists and fines when they break the rules would make London a safer place for all.</p>
<p>Incidentally I cycle to work everyday in central London, and hold many London cyclists in quite low regard.</p>
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		<title>By: brodog</title>
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		<dc:creator>brodog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 23:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>quote   thereverent

&#039;&#039;None of which make anyone more or less accountable for breaking of the law&#039;&#039;

 A test in theory should improve standards, insurance improves the chances of reinbursement, a registration plate ultimately leads to greater accountability via traceability.
 As you state &#039;all road users can be fined&#039;  but cyclists are not traceable unlike dvla registered motorists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>quote   thereverent</p>
<p>&#8221;None of which make anyone more or less accountable for breaking of the law&#8221;</p>
<p> A test in theory should improve standards, insurance improves the chances of reinbursement, a registration plate ultimately leads to greater accountability via traceability.<br />
 As you state &#8216;all road users can be fined&#8217;  but cyclists are not traceable unlike dvla registered motorists.</p>
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		<title>By: thereverent</title>
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		<dc:creator>thereverent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 22:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>None of which make anyone more or less accountable for breaking of the law.
A test, registration plate and insurance don&#039;t improve behaviour on the road, as witnessed by looking at the cars, motorbikes, white vans, minicabs etc.
All road users can be fined.


Interesting:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=brodog</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of which make anyone more or less accountable for breaking of the law.<br />
A test, registration plate and insurance don&#8217;t improve behaviour on the road, as witnessed by looking at the cars, motorbikes, white vans, minicabs etc.<br />
All road users can be fined.</p>
<p>Interesting:<br />
<a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=brodog" rel="nofollow">http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=brodog</a></p>
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		<title>By: brodog</title>
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		<dc:creator>brodog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 21:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote Fistme

&#039;&#039;taxi drivers who don’t care if they pass you by just to stop right in front of you 10 meters later&#039;&#039;

Hi Fistiee,


You know those things on your handlebars.....no, not the bell which I doubt you actually have  ...The brakes.



If you squeeze them then your bike will eventually come to a halt......give it a try some time.  If you cannot get your bike to stop in 30ft distance then you really need lessons on how to do it properly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote Fistme</p>
<p>&#8221;taxi drivers who don’t care if they pass you by just to stop right in front of you 10 meters later&#8221;</p>
<p>Hi Fistiee,</p>
<p>You know those things on your handlebars&#8230;..no, not the bell which I doubt you actually have  &#8230;The brakes.</p>
<p>If you squeeze them then your bike will eventually come to a halt&#8230;&#8230;give it a try some time.  If you cannot get your bike to stop in 30ft distance then you really need lessons on how to do it properly.</p>
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